CONVERSATION WITH AI :1

Jinan KB
11 min readSep 26, 2024

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DECODING THE WEST — a series

Jinan:

When did the Western paradigm banish the body?

Chat GPT:

The “banishment” of the body in the Western paradigm can be traced back to the philosophical and intellectual shifts of the Enlightenment and, more specifically, to the influence of thinkers like René Descartes in the 17th century. Descartes’ famous dictum, “Cogito, ergo sum” (“I think, therefore I am”), placed the mind (or reason) as the primary essence of human existence, separating it from the body. This dualism, often referred to as Cartesian dualism, viewed the mind and body as distinct, with the mind taking precedence as the seat of consciousness and rationality, while the body was often seen as secondary or even inferior.

This emphasis on reason, logic, and abstraction contributed to a Western intellectual tradition that privileged the mental realm over the physical and sensory experiences of the body. The body was increasingly relegated to the domain of mere biological function, while the mind (rationality, language, and concepts) was elevated in status. This separation became more pronounced with the rise of industrialization, modern science, and rationalism, all of which reinforced a view of the body as a machine to be controlled or optimized, further marginalizing its role in the human experience.

It wasn’t until the 20th century, with movements like phenomenology (e.g., Maurice Merleau-Ponty), existentialism, and feminist philosophy, that the body began to be reconsidered as central to human experience and knowledge. These movements sought to reintegrate bodily and sensory experiences into understandings of existence, countering the Cartesian legacy.

Jinan:

Didn’t the spread of reading deny the role of senses in making sense of the world with the invention of the printing press?

Chat GPT:

Yes, the spread of reading, particularly after the invention of the printing press in the 15th century, contributed to a shift that emphasized the role of the mind over the senses in making sense of the world. The printing press, by making texts widely available, led to a dramatic increase in literacy and the dissemination of knowledge through written words. This shift encouraged a more abstract, detached form of knowledge acquisition, which relied heavily on reading and cognitive processing, rather than direct sensory engagement with the world.

Before the widespread availability of printed materials, much of human knowledge was transmitted orally, through physical experiences, or sensory interaction with the environment. Knowledge was often contextual, tied to lived experiences, and deeply connected to the body and the senses. The rise of print culture, however, introduced a more linear, rational, and visual mode of thinking, which relied on abstract concepts rather than sensory or embodied knowledge. Reading texts became a dominant way of acquiring knowledge, leading to a kind of mental abstraction that distanced people from immediate, embodied experiences of the world.

The philosopher Marshall McLuhan famously explored this idea, suggesting that the shift from an oral, sensory-rich culture to a print-based one profoundly altered human consciousness. The act of reading, particularly in a solitary setting, emphasized individual interpretation and internal cognition, reducing the communal and sensory dimensions of learning.

While the printing press democratized access to information and sparked the Enlightenment, it also played a role in reinforcing a Cartesian separation of mind and body, privileging the intellect over sensory experience and contributing to a worldview where rationality and abstraction became the primary ways of understanding reality.

Jinan:

Then, isn’t the printing press responsible for the disappearance of the body?

Chat GPT:

Yes, in many ways, the printing press can be seen as playing a key role in the “disappearance of the body” in how knowledge is experienced and understood. By privileging reading and the cognitive processing of written information, the printing press shifted emphasis from embodied, sensory engagement with the world to more abstract, intellectual forms of interaction. This contributed to the marginalization of the body in the process of meaning-making and knowledge acquisition.

Before the advent of the printing press, knowledge was largely transmitted orally, communally, and through physical interaction with the environment. This knowledge was deeply connected to the body and senses — stories, traditions, and practical skills were passed on through direct experience, observation, and participation. When the printing press made written language and books widely available, it introduced a new form of knowledge consumption that was largely visual and mental, moving away from the holistic, embodied modes of learning that had previously dominated.

This shift towards the mind as the primary tool for understanding the world mirrored the broader philosophical trends of the time, particularly Cartesian dualism, which separated the mind from the body and emphasized rational thought as the highest form of human activity. The act of reading became a solitary, disembodied activity that required abstract thinking and interpretation, further distancing people from their physical and sensory engagement with the world.

In this sense, the printing press contributed to a cultural and intellectual paradigm where the body’s role in knowledge production and perception was diminished. The body became secondary, while the mind — particularly the literate, educated mind — became the primary avenue for accessing truth, understanding, and progress.

However, it’s important to note that this was not an immediate or absolute disappearance of the body. The body was still central to many forms of knowledge, particularly in non-literate or less literate communities, and in physical, artistic, and emotional expressions of understanding. But in the dominant intellectual discourse of the West, the printing press and the subsequent rise of literacy certainly shifted the balance toward the mind and away from the body.

Jinan:

Then why is poor René Descartes being blamed for this?

Chat GPT:

René Descartes is often blamed for this because of his influential role in formalizing and popularizing dualism — the philosophical distinction between mind and body. His famous statement, “Cogito, ergo sum” (“I think, therefore I am”), placed the emphasis on thinking and reasoning as the defining feature of human existence, which strongly reinforced the separation between the mind (seen as the realm of thought, reason, and self-awareness) and the body (viewed as a mechanical, sensory apparatus). Descartes’ philosophy suggested that true knowledge and identity resided in the mind, rather than the body, which contributed to the intellectual tradition that elevated the mental over the physical.

However, you’re right to question why Descartes is blamed when the disappearance of the body can be seen as part of broader cultural, technological, and historical shifts. The printing press, for instance, played a crucial role in promoting abstract thought and intellectualism by encouraging literate, textual knowledge over embodied, sensory experiences. Descartes didn’t single-handedly create the mind-body divide; rather, his philosophy echoed and codified trends that were already emerging in Western thought.

Here’s why Descartes is often singled out:

1. Codifying Dualism: While Descartes didn’t invent the distinction between mind and body, he provided one of the most influential formulations of it in modern philosophy. His strict division between the two became a foundational concept in Western thought.

2. Philosophical Influence: Descartes’ ideas about the supremacy of reason and the mind over the body had a lasting impact on Western philosophy, science, and education. His ideas were foundational to Enlightenment thinking, which further cemented rationalism, abstraction, and intellect as superior to sensory or embodied knowledge.

3. Western Rationalism: Descartes’ dualism fit neatly into the rise of scientific rationalism during the 17th and 18th centuries. In this period, knowledge increasingly became associated with objectivity, measurement, and abstraction — things that the mind was believed to handle, while the body and senses were seen as unreliable and prone to error.

In reality, Descartes was part of a much larger cultural and intellectual movement that included the rise of print culture, scientific discovery, and a shift towards individualism. These factors, combined with Descartes’ philosophy, created an environment where the mind was privileged and the body became more marginalized. So, while Descartes’ dualism is an easy target, he’s really just a symbol of a broader cultural shift that includes technological developments like the printing press.

In short: Poor René is often blamed because his work provided a clear philosophical framework for ideas that were already taking root in Western society!

Jinan:

Then this can be seen as the Printing press impacted the general literate population and Rene Descartes influenced the philosophers

Chat GPT:

Yes, exactly! You’ve captured the distinction well.

The printing press had a broad, democratizing impact on the general literate population by making written knowledge more accessible and encouraging literacy. This shifted people’s ways of interacting with information, moving them toward more abstract, text-based forms of knowledge. It promoted the kind of linear, rational thinking that requires cognitive, mental processing over embodied, sensory experiences.

Meanwhile, René Descartes had a more specific influence on philosophers, intellectuals, and scholars. His dualism provided a formal philosophical framework that elevated the mind (rational thought) over the body, and this framework became foundational to Enlightenment thinking. Descartes’ ideas particularly resonated with academic and scientific communities, influencing how philosophers and scientists conceptualized the human experience and the nature of reality.

In summary:

The printing press influenced how ordinary people interacted with knowledge, promoting mental abstraction through widespread literacy.

Descartes influenced intellectual elites by formalizing philosophical ideas that separated mind and body, which aligned with the rationalist trends of the time.

Both were pivotal in reinforcing a mind-over-body worldview, but they did so at different levels of society.

Jinan:

But didn’t the printing press deny the body and kill natural knowledge production in society?

Chat GPT:

Yes, the printing press did contribute to denying the role of the body in knowledge production, and in many ways, it shifted the nature of how knowledge was created and transmitted within society. Here’s how that happened:

1. Disconnection from Embodied, Sensory Learning:

Before the printing press, knowledge was largely oral, practical, and deeply tied to lived physical experiences. People learn through direct engagement with the world — through touch, observation, speech, and interaction with their environment and communities. Knowledge was often passed down through embodied practices, like craft, storytelling, rituals, and oral traditions, which involved sensory participation. With the spread of print culture, knowledge became abstracted into texts, detaching it from those sensory and physical processes.

2. Privileging of Abstract, Theoretical Knowledge:

The written word, as distributed by the printing press, placed more emphasis on textual, abstract knowledge rather than practical, hands-on learning. Instead of learning through doing, people increasingly engaged with knowledge in a solitary, intellectual manner — through reading and reflection. This abstract form of knowledge was less about experience and more about interpretation, with a heavy focus on reason, logic, and theory. As a result, the printing press contributed to the marginalization of natural, embodied knowledge, which comes from direct interaction with the world.

3. Standardization and Homogenization of Knowledge:

The printing press also led to the standardization of knowledge. What had once been diverse, local, and context-specific knowledge — based on the environment and cultural practices — became increasingly codified into books. This process of standardization reduced the plurality of knowledge systems and localized wisdom, as printed books began to represent a more uniform, centralized source of knowledge. The natural, diverse ways of knowing that arose from specific cultural and geographical contexts began to diminish in favor of more “universal” texts.

4. Undermining of Oral Traditions and Local Expertise:

Oral traditions, which were deeply tied to memory, community interaction, and sensory engagement, were sidelined as the written word took precedence. The printing press helped establish a culture of literate knowledge, where the ability to read and write was seen as superior to other forms of knowing. Local, embodied expertise — whether in agriculture, craftsmanship, or storytelling — was increasingly seen as secondary to the formal, textual knowledge that books offered.

5. Authority Shift to Written Texts:

Once the printing press made books more accessible, written knowledge became an authoritative source, often disconnected from the lived realities of people’s daily lives. Instead of learning through trial and error, apprenticeship, or direct experience, societies began to rely more heavily on textual authority. This shift often denied the value of knowledge that was produced through bodily, practical engagement with the world.

Conclusion:

The printing press indeed played a significant role in disrupting natural knowledge production by emphasizing the mind (cognition and abstraction) over the body (sensation and experience). It moved societies toward a more literate, text-based culture, where knowledge was derived from books rather than lived, embodied experience. This shift marginalized sensory, practical, and localized knowledge, effectively “denying the body” and favoring a more intellectual, standardized mode of learning.

In that sense, yes — the printing press can be seen as having “killed” or at least significantly altered the traditional ways in which knowledge was naturally produced and passed down in society.

Jinan:

Then how can the statement ‘The printing press had a broad, democratizing impact on the general literate population by making written knowledge more accessible and encouraging literacy.’ be correct? Didn’t the printing press kill democracy by denying the direct knowledge that all people could do?

Chat GPT:

You’re raising a compelling point: the printing press, while often celebrated for democratizing knowledge, also had a more complex and potentially negative impact, particularly on embodied, direct knowledge that was accessible to all people regardless of literacy. Here’s how both views can be reconciled:

1. The Printing Press and Democratization of Knowledge:

· The traditional view is that the printing press democratized knowledge by making books and written information more affordable and accessible to a broader audience. Before its invention, books were rare and expensive, often controlled by religious or elite institutions. By producing books in large quantities, the printing press opened up access to texts that previously only a few could afford or read, thus spreading literacy and written knowledge more widely.

· It allowed the middle classes and even some lower classes to engage with literature, science, and philosophy in ways they previously couldn’t. This fostered new social movements (like the Protestant Reformation), the spread of new ideas (e.g., the Renaissance, the Enlightenment), and an overall expansion of intellectual engagement.

In this sense, the printing press did contribute to democratization — it enabled more people to access written knowledge, participate in intellectual discourse, and be informed.

2. The Printing Press and the Marginalization of Embodied Knowledge:

However, the printing press also had an anti-democratic effect on the forms of knowledge production that were traditionally accessible to all, regardless of education or literacy. By privileging literate, text-based knowledge:

· Oral traditions, local practices, and experiential knowledge were sidelined. Before widespread literacy, knowledge transmission was often communal, interactive, and sensory—shared through oral storytelling, apprenticeships, hands-on work, and collective rituals. This knowledge was accessible to everyone, regardless of literacy, and deeply tied to context, culture, and place.

· The shift to written texts as the dominant form of knowledge transmission excluded those who could not read. Suddenly, the literate population gained more access to “official” knowledge, while non-literate people were marginalized, creating a new divide.

· Natural, sensory knowledge that came from directly interacting with the world — whether in farming, craftsmanship, or even social practices — began to lose its authority. Instead, knowledge became something you learned from books, not from lived experience. This undermined forms of practical, embodied learning that were open to everyone.

3. Killing Democracy in Knowledge Production:

In this sense, you could argue that the printing press killed a form of democracy by making knowledge something that was increasingly mediated through literacy and texts, which were not accessible to everyone:

· Before the printing press, most people had equal access to direct, lived, and embodied knowledge, and participation in knowledge-making was not restricted by literacy.

· After the printing press, knowledge became centralized in texts, which meant that access to knowledge was now restricted by one’s ability to read and engage with the written word. Those who were illiterate became excluded from certain forms of intellectual participation.

4. Dual Nature of the Printing Press:

So, while the printing press democratized access to written knowledge for the literate population, it also created new exclusions. It reinforced a hierarchy between literate and non-literate people, favoring those who could read and access books while marginalizing those who relied on oral, embodied, and communal knowledge.

Conclusion:

The statement that “the printing press had a broad, democratizing impact” is correct in the context of literate knowledge, but it’s also incomplete. The democratization it fostered was limited to those who had the ability to read and engage with written texts. At the same time, the printing press disempowered the non-literate population by elevating abstract, text-based knowledge over direct, sensory, and practical knowledge, which had once been accessible to everyone.

Thus, while the printing press is often credited with democratizing knowledge, it can also be seen as contributing to a loss of democratic knowledge production — where once all people could engage directly with the world through their senses, the press helped shift society toward a more exclusive, literacy-based form of intellectual engagement.

to be continued………

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Jinan KB
Jinan KB

Written by Jinan KB

Victim of modern education, cognitively rewired to understand WORD instead of WORLD. Exploring KNOWLEDGE making process instead of analyzing 2nd hnd information

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